Erwin Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) Hi all, I'm joining with this ... Don't be fooled by the BoB looking boxart.The markings are not BoB. But I already have other decals with correct markings. I have the codes PR-Z and NK-K. Will have to look which are BoB. Found this link with sqaudron codes... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_offic...itain_squadrons The codes I have PR-Z are listed for 609 Sq. " R Auxilary A F" What does this exactly mean ? Edited September 7, 2010 by Erwin
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) Hi Erwin Look forward to seeing the subject history summary and pics. good luck with the project Which have now magically appeared Auxillary Squadrons were set up as support squadrons with non RAF volunteer pilots as reserves. They were initiated pre-war to boost the number of squadrons for when the balloon went up. Edited July 17, 2010 by walrus
Erwin Posted July 17, 2010 Author Posted July 17, 2010 Hi ErwinLook forward to seeing the subject history summary and pics. good luck with the project I'm trying to find info as we speak about this plane. I just need to know if the codes PR-Z are indeed BoB
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 All the 600 numbered squadrons were auxilliary. iirc 601 was a posh boys club and nicknamed "the Millionaire Squadron"
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) Sorry Erwin I edited my post we are crossing each other! check this out looks like PR is definitely the squadron code for Aug 1940 at Warmwell But Can't find any refrences to PR-Z Spits at the time Edited July 17, 2010 by walrus
Erwin Posted July 17, 2010 Author Posted July 17, 2010 Sorry Erwin I edited my post we are crossing each other!check this out looks like PR is definitely the squadron code for Aug 1940 at Warmwell HTH Thanks. Looks like I'm in with the Spitfire PR-Z then.
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Can't find a PR-Z before May 1941 do you have a serial number?
Erwin Posted July 17, 2010 Author Posted July 17, 2010 Can't find a PR-Z before May 1941do you have a serial number? P-8098
Erwin Posted July 17, 2010 Author Posted July 17, 2010 (edited) Don't bodder. The codes are indeed for 1941. Just found it on the net. I guess I will have to look for an aftermarketsheet to get correct BoB codes.Or build another kit. Edited July 17, 2010 by Erwin
Erwin Posted July 17, 2010 Author Posted July 17, 2010 I just found codes LK-B in my pile !! I know for sure that's BoB. I just don't have the serials P 9398. But I'm sure I will be able to get suitable separate letters and numbers to make those. Guess I'm in again.
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Erm... Does it fall within the timeframe Erwin? I'm not trying to make life hard for you, honest
lasermonkey Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 The LK codes are from No 87 Sqn, which used Hurricanes during the BoB (and after!) I'm afraid. Spitfire squadrons in the BoB were: No 19 (codes QV) No 41 (EB) No 54 (KL) No 64 (SH) No 65 (YT) No 66 (LZ) No 72 (RN) No 74 (ZP) No 92 (QJ) No 152 (UM) No 222 (ZD) No 234 (AZ) No 266 (UO) No 602 (LO) No 603 (XT) No 609 (PR) No 610 (DW) No 611 (FY) No 616 (also QJ!) I know that Superscale did a 1/32 sheet for P9386/QV*K of No 19 Sqn, but don't know if they're still avaliable. I think it's likely that you'll have to resort to the generic sheets of roundels and codes as done by Carpena (or whatever they're called these days!) I just found codes LK-B in my pile !!I know for sure that's BoB. I just don't have the serials P 9398. But I'm sure I will be able to get suitable separate letters and numbers to make those. Guess I'm in again.
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 17, 2010 Posted July 17, 2010 Note the KL 54 Squadron codes Am guessing that the aircraft was KL-B "Kiwi" flown by Al Deere?
Erwin Posted July 18, 2010 Author Posted July 18, 2010 Note the KL 54 Squadron codes Am guessing that the aircraft was KL-B "Kiwi" flown by Al Deere? :smartass: That's the one. Is that OK for the GB ? I just found codes LK-B in my pile !! That should ofcourse have been KL !! Sorry for the confusion.
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 this is really frustrating Erwin Alan Deere flew 3 aicraft in the BoB but would you believe it that KL-B made a forced landing on the 9th! On 9 July Deere shot down a Bf 109 over the channel, but then collided head on with a Bf 109 of 4 Staffel Jagdgeschwader 51 flown by Oberfeldwebel Johann Illner. The propeller blades of Deere's spitfire "Kiwi" were bent backwards, the engine disabled, and much of the fin and rudder lost. Nevertheless, he managed to glide back to the coast near Manston where his forced landing in a paddock ended against a stone wall. I feel sooo mean now that makes it a day before the official start according to the RAF website.
Erwin Posted July 18, 2010 Author Posted July 18, 2010 (edited) this is really frustrating Erwin Alan Deere flew 3 aicraft in the BoB but would you believe it that KL-B made a forced landing on the 9th! I feel sooo mean now that makes it a day before the official start according to the RAF website. I give up ! Edited July 18, 2010 by Erwin
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 18, 2010 Posted July 18, 2010 No giving up Erwin there's always plan erm... must be about plan G by now but by golly it's got to be worth a try. What ever plan G is.
Baggers Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 You "could" always do Kiwi III or just a plain KL-B but you'll need to use a different serial number. See here for some more information http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/southernexpo/im...KL.B%20Inst.jpg Can't help with the 1/32nd scale decals though as we only did them in 1/72 and 1/48
spitfire Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 Hi Erwin, Use the kit decals for roundels, fin flashes, etc but use paint masks for the codes, very simple to use, decide which aircraft you want to model and get on to Mal at Miracle Paint masks. They are not expensive, look better than decals and you can pick your aircraft, for serials I use Ventura decals V3270 1/32 scale 8" serial letters. Link for Miracle Paint Masks http://www.freewebs.com/miraclemasks/ Cheers Den
Erwin Posted July 19, 2010 Author Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) You "could" always do Kiwi III or just a plain KL-B but you'll need to use a different serial number. Thank you for that info. I can make the serials. Guess I'm back in ! Unless Walrus comes up with a historic fact that spoils this plan too. Edited July 19, 2010 by Erwin
FZ6 Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 Thank you for that info.I can make the serials. Guess I'm back in ! Unless Walrus comes up with a historic fact that spoils this plan too. I have the newly issued Revell Spitfire I and will be bbuilding mine as 610 Squadrons DW K N3029 Which means I will have the 602 Squadron markings for Sandy Johnstone's Aircraft LO Q spare. They are June 1940 so if they are any good to you I can let you have them. Regards, Mark
AnonymousFO98 Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 Trying my hardest. When it comes to rewriting history I make Stalin look like an amateur I will be entering a Harrier GR5 for the BoB GB Glad you can get things sorted Erwin good news at last
Erwin Posted July 19, 2010 Author Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) I have the newly issued Revell Spitfire I and will be bbuilding mine as 610 Squadrons DW K N3029Which means I will have the 602 Squadron markings for Sandy Johnstone's Aircraft LO Q spare. They are June 1940 so if they are any good to you I can let you have them. Regards, Mark But did it still fly during the battle ? The GB rules state from 10 July 1940. This link shows two profiles for LO-Q but with different serials flown by different pilots. And also one has the A sheme and the other the B sheme. I never realized that the BoB could be so confusing. http://www.markstyling.com/spitfiresmkl_ll_6.htm Edited July 19, 2010 by Erwin
FZ6 Posted July 19, 2010 Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) But did it still fly during the battle ?The GB rules state from 10 July 1940. This link shows two profiles for LO-Q but with different serials flown by different pilots. And also one has the A sheme and the other the B sheme. I never realized that the BoB could be so confusing. http://www.markstyling.com/spitfiresmkl_ll_6.htm Erwin, My Osprey book says that he downed a Dornier Do17 in LO Q L1004 on 3rd July which means he was in action with it just outside that window of the Group Build so it is highly likely that he flew it for at least some of July. It says that after a year in the frontline L1004 was posted to 58 OTU and was updated into a MK VB mid 1941. It later became the second PR.XIII prototype before becoming a Seafire III prototype in 1944. Sounds like the airframe led a varied and interesting life. Edited July 19, 2010 by FZ6
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