AM 1:48 IL2

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

Eve all.

I've decided to start another build while I wait for some bits for my Oscar and fancied the look of this, mainly as I have all the right-(ish) colours for it!

There happens to be some MDF left over from the last dio' so I might just do a smaller, simpler dio.

If I do end up 'dio-ing' it I fancy something along the lines of it having a new engine fitted, I really don't feel like chopping the kit up so would probably display the engine having just been delivered, either on a trolley or maybe hanging on a block and tackle arrangement ready to be fitted, we shall see what happens along the way!

Quick obligatory box shot:-

While that takes shape so is a new space with the potential for more than just the storage of the wife's shoes, dresses and quarter ton of make-up:-

I put a decent wooden loft ladder in a while ago but never got round to fitting the boarding so I've been cracking on while work is intermittant!

Also found a leak that's been there since we moved in some ten years ago which has started to rot the nearest joist...bugger ! Although the wife has suggested we get a Velux loft window fitted were the damage is which is what has spaked me thinking I could at least use part of the area to make a reasonable spray booth! My birthday is looming and the wife has hinted at an airbrush, (well, I did ) so might be some decent finishes coming from me in the near future, possibly something mottled !!

Si.

Edited July 17, 2012 by Dr.Jellyfingers

[Martian]

Signing up for this one! Well, you don't want the build to get too serious do you? Why not do a Mongolian one?

Martin

[Troy Smith]

Eve all.

I've decided to start another build while I wait for some bits for my Oscar and fancied the look of this, mainly as I have all the right-(ish) colours for it!

There happens to be some MDF left over from the last dio' so I might just do a smaller, simpler dio.

If I do end up 'dio-ing' it I fancy something along the lines of it having a new engine fitted, I really don't feel like chopping the kit up so would probably display the engine having just been delivered, either on a trolley or maybe hanging on a block and tackle arrangement ready to be fitted, we shall see what happens along the way!

Si

Learstang will be having a field day!!! .....right colours??? dangerous talk in VVS circles!! as long as you don't go green/brown uppers!!

suggest a peruse of the Sovietwarplanes site, there was a build here with me waffling on.......

http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/index.html

colours - http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il-2.htm, well this for the 2 seater - http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/il-2/il2-camo/il2m-camo.htm

The boxing you have is a later version with 'arrow' wings, so probably be the 3 colour uppers...

Now, as I like leading you astray may I point out these 1/48 figures, the Eduard VVS figures are on sale at Hannants

I wonder if this is a dry Czech joke about the Soviets..note the poses! two bureaucrats and two scruffs lazing about...

....and that the Tamiya German Tank crew maintenence set , forget the German bit,[and the Tiger tank, it's not included] a set of blokes in coveralls and side caps appicable to a load of countries plus tools, ladder, bench ,boxes etc

They are on sale at Modelzone online.... get two, you won't regret it.....

and, you going to love this, UM or Unimodel of the Ukraine do a whole series of 1/48 VVS vehicles, grounds starter, refuelling truck, etc etc....

here http://www.hannants.co.uk/search/index.php...mp;currency_id=

have fun

T

PS there is also another set of VVS figures by ICM, not sure how easily available they are separately, but have been included with some ICM Kits. These are ground and aircrew, and benches/ladders...good set.

Edited April 13, 2012 by Troy Smith

[Learstang]

Good luck on the build, Si! Troy is correct about the three-colour scheme (three topsides colours) as this is an arrow (swept-back wings). I shall definitely be watching this build. I have the very kit with all the aftermarket trimmings, even an engine, so it'll be nice to see how you tackle yours. I'm reasonably knowledgeable about this bird, so if you have any questions, just let me know.

Regards,

Jason

Edited April 13, 2012 by Learstang

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

LOL, you guys are like fire starters, loads of ideas now !!

I know I can count on you Martin to keep the party going!

Thanks again Troy for all that info, I need to visit Modelzone soon so I'll be casting an eye over those kits. I'll be scratching the engine and whatever its hanging or sitting on. The dio' will be set just before anyone has taken any bits off the plane so work just about to start as I really don't want to cut into this kit if I can help it. It looks to be a well engineered kit and the instructions are like reading a book so OOB mainly for the Il2 then well see what else needs adding once the dio' starts to take shape!

As Jason is the man to ask on scheme I was thinking of the one below, taken from one of the links Troy posted:-

What looks to be a light grey is supposed to be a light brown I think. The interior I was thinking of using a light grey (Hum128) with a touch of white and a bit of Hum120 green, I'll mix abit then post to see if I'm in the ball park.

Thanks guys, I'll make some progress soon.

Si.

[Learstang]

Si, that scheme was done by Massimo Tessitori, who is also doing the profiles for the book I'm currently finishing up on modelling the IL-2 (I had to get that plug in!). Massimo does excellent work, so that should be an accurate scheme to go by. The only thing you'll need will be some borts (tactical numbers); you may be able to take some from the kit decals. The colours as the Soviets described them are AMT-12 Dark Grey, AMT-4 Green, and AMT-1 Light Brown, with AMT-7 Blue on the undersides. The AMT-1 colour is a bit tricky as it seems to have started out as a greyish-tan colour, which became more tan as the war progressed (this scheme was introduced from the summer of 1943 on). The paints I use (I use Testors Model Master paints as they're a lot easier to obtain in the States as opposed to Humbrol) are as follows - AMT-12 Dark Grey - Gunship Gray; AMT-4 Green - Interior Green; AMT-1 Light Brown - '42 Afrika Dunkelgrau; and for the undersides AMT-7 Blue - Russian Topsides Blue. These are just the paints I'm comfortable using and are by no means definitive. To me, the Testors Gunship Gray looks like Extra Dark Sea Grey. For the interior colour, A-14 Steel Grey, I use Testors MM Neutral Gray. I suppose any medium neutral grey colour will do. For the green on the wheel hubs I use MM Medium Green. I hope this helps somewhat.

Regards,

Jason

[Troy Smith]

I need to visit Modelzone soon so I'll be casting an eye over those kits. I'll be scratching the engine and whatever its hanging or sitting on. The dio' will be set just before anyone has taken any bits off the plane so work just about to start as I really don't want to cut into this kit if I can help it. It looks to be a well engineered kit and the instructions are like reading a book so OOB mainly for the Il2 then well see what else needs adding once the dio' starts to take shape!

Si

a few points.

the German maintenance figures may not be in the shop, but are online at 8.25, note over a tenner it's free post! even if you just want one set get some paint which will take it over 10 quid...

http://www.modelzone.co.uk/special-offers/...enance-set.html

Here's a previous build with some comments, and some links to other builds. In short there is a trick to getting the wings on.

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=62552

there is also some info on colours.

What is your preffered paint? You mention Humbrol,

bear with me

General table of colours - http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/colors.html

Humbrol matches/mixes for

Light blues - http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/hum...light-blues.htm

greens - http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/humbrol/greens.htm

it seems for a version of AMT 1 light grey brown, that Revell #87 aqua color is a good match. Is there an enamel version?

AMT-12 is close to Extra Dark Sea Grey, or even RLM66. It's a dark blue tinged grey.

As Jason is the man to ask on scheme I was thinking of the one below, taken from one of the links Troy posted:-

worth asking Jason about any potential scheme, to make sure it's an arrow or any other useful info.

The box art plane is pretty famous and there are pics which confirm the details. Scans are possible if you like. ....and of course it's on the link I sent before..

White 07, the plane of twice HSU V.I. Mykhilyk, commander of the 566th ShAP.

The inscription behind the star means 'Avenge for Khristenko' and the city skyline includes 'For Leningrad'.

The livery seems corresponding to the second template of 1943.

(Image from 4+ Publications- Ilyushin Il-2M3 Shturmovik)

Not sure what the AM decals are like , or what other options are offerred, there are several aftermarket sheets if you fancy something else.

HTH, any more questions?

cheers

T

Edited April 13, 2012 by Troy Smith

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

Strewth and I thought the Japanese scemes were a can of worms !!

Thanks for all that info Troy, I think I'll be doing the one in the last pic you posted as thats the only decal option I have.

Thanks to Jason too, I think I'll be mythering you both through this one!

There should be some progress later with the engine. As this kit doesn't have an engine its going to be a scratch job, probably starting with a wood block, that's an idea straight from Fozzy's 5a !

Si.

[Moofles]

He's mad I tell you. MAD.

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

He's mad I tell you. MAD.

Says the fruit-loop with working U/C and more removable panels than is feasable to shake a stick at!!

Si.

[Learstang]

Si, if you're not absolutely determined to scratchbuild the engine, Engine and Things have an AM-38 in resin. It's rather basic, without the various wires and tubing that festooned the original, but it's got to be an easier starting point than a block of wood. It consists of the engine block, the cylinders, propeller reduction housing, supercharger, and the glycol tank that fits over the reduction housing. Although basic, it appears to be reasonably accurate (I should know, having done the full monty on the Hobby Boss AM-38).

Regards,

Jason

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

Thanks for the heads-up on the resin '38 Jason, I'm going to have a bash at making one from scratch first, if it goes horribly wrong I'll be looking at the resin jobby!

A tiny bit of progress has been made!

Here's a couple of pics of what I'm trying to build:-

And here are the humble beginnings:-

And it will actually fit in the airframe at the moment, probably wont once all the cobblers are on it!

It will improve, honest !!

More soon, Si.

[Learstang]

You're welcome about the heads up on the resin AM-38 and good start on the engine, Si - a journey of a thousand miles, blah, blah, blah. If you need any more photographs of the real item, I have plenty, although that second one is an excellent picture of all the fiddly bits at the back, including nice details of the supercharger. I notice the afterburner plate on your modelling grid - I'll be interested to see what you do with that, perhaps something with the supercharger? An interesting note about the AM model - notice how the engine cowlings are moulded separately, and how the forward fuel tank is integrally moulded onto the front part of the rest of the fuselage (the tank can't be seen once the kit is put together). It appears that AM had contemplated doing the engine compartment but decided better of it, not doubt due to cost, both to themselves and to the consumer. Pity, really.

Regards,

Jason

[Troy Smith]

Strewth and I thought the Japanese scemes were a can of worms !!

Thanks for all that info Troy, I think I'll be doing the one in the last pic you posted as thats the only decal option I have.

Si

VVS schemes are not really that complex...nothing as convoluted and field modfied as Luftwaffe. Re-read the links a couple of times and it'll make sense...though you have a pretty good idea of what you need anyway.

AMT-7 blue undersides, with uppers in AMT-1 'tan', AMT-4 Green and AMT-12 dark grey. Interior A-14 steel grey. See, nice and easy

decals, I have a couple of much clearer pics of above plane if you want scans.

re engine, I'm sure you scratch one, but a possible easier/cheaper way...it should be pointed out the AM-38 is derived from the AM-35, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikulin_AM-35, which powered the Mig-3...

Now the ICM/Alanger Mig-3 kit comes with a complete engine, which is often not used, so you may want to ask if anyone has one in their spares box.

IIRC BM member TonyGol was going to build one of the ICM Migs... might be worth asking....

It's decent kit so you might even consider getting one? http://www.swannysmodels.com/Mig3.html, built, with cowls off, which may help.

The Italeri boxing has some extra decal options, http://www.hyperscale.com/2007/reviews/kit...7reviewbg_1.htm

if you fancy a spare should be do-able....or go wild, get the Authentic decals sheet... has more Il-2's than you can shake a stick at....not the best instructions though.. Hannants stock them. [i got mine from Armory in the Ukraine.] I'm not sure how many offhand....lots...all 2 seaters..

HTH

T

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

Thanks chaps for all the info, I shouldn't be too far off a reasonably accurate scheme.

Troy are the kit decals ok, I've not built an AM kit before, would I be better with aftermarket or were you just suggesting alternatives?

A little prog' on the engine, made some cylinder heads, added a little profile detail to the cylinder walls and started to fill the crank case.

I'll be having a go at the supercharger later, the afterburner part is too big for this bit Jason so I'll be using a tyre and wheel hub with some cobblers thrown in!

A few pics:-

It should come good with some paint on, there's a silly amount of pipes, cables and cobblers to go on first though!

Si.

[Troy Smith]

Troy are the kit decals ok, I've not built an AM kit before, would I be better with aftermarket or were you just suggesting alternatives?

Si, just pointing out alternatives exist if you fancied a different scheme. There are 3 Aeromaster sheets as well, but not sure how accurate they are.

I don't know how good or bad the kit decals are, but I have never read that 'AM decals suck'. Maybe someone reading will know.

Shall I scan the better pics? Always good to see a photo of the subject I think.

cheers

T

[Martian]

Nice start on the engine Si, I don't think it will be long before we are all hooked on this thread.

Martin

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

Si, just pointing out alternatives exist if you fancied a different scheme. There are 3 Aeromaster sheets as well, but not sure how accurate they are.

I don't know how good or bad the kit decals are, but I have never read that 'AM decals suck'. Maybe someone reading will know.

Shall I scan the better pics? Always good to see a photo of the subject I think.

cheers

T

Better pics are always appreciated, cheers Troy.

Nice start on the engine Si, I don't think it will be long before we are all hooked on this thread.

Martin

Ta for that Martin, BTW have you managed anything on your bomber?

Just one quick pic, my interpretation of a supercharger, it was not fun to make!!

More later,

Si.

[Learstang]

Good work on the supercharger, Si! It doesn't look much fun to make (I have to say that Hobby Boss did a decent job of that so I didn't have to do to much to it) - were the impeller blades made out our of our old friend the fizzy can aluminium?

Regards,

Jason

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

Good work on the supercharger, Si! It doesn't look much fun to make (I have to say that Hobby Boss did a decent job of that so I didn't have to do to much to it) - were the impeller blades made out our of our old friend the fizzy can aluminium?

Regards,

Jason

It's made from those thick foil type tea-light candles, a bit thinner than the copper I use and great for stuff like that!

A little more on the engine.

I made the inlet manifolds with some plastic tube heated and gently squashed then cut and glued to square stock and spent ages filing and sanding.

A few pics:-

I like this bit of a build!!

Si.

[Fozzy]

Hi Si

Sorry I am late to the show but have been building and decorating around the house!!....any how great subject and great start mate.....

For your interest here is some photos that I took a few months back at my local airfield here in Bulgaria..........

......keep the good work up!

[Martian]

Meteoric progress on the engine Si! Sadly I haven't been able to work on the Gotha due to the problems in my neck and shoulders. I am seeing the pain clinic at the local hospital next week and hopefully they will be able to sort something out for me then.

Martin

Edited April 19, 2012 by martin hale

[Dr.Jellyfingers]

Cheers for the pics Fozz' !

Sorry to hear your still waiting to get sorted Martin, bet your itching to do a bit by now! BTW have you seen what Fozz' has made from some string and the box his going-out hair came in ??!!

A bit of paint and some pipes and throttle linkages:-

More on its way

Si.

[Learstang]

Wow! That's really looking like an AM-38, Si. This is getting interesting. Fozzy, nice pictures of that Shturmovik. I remember seeing photographs of it before they restored it - it was a mess. It looks like they did a great job restoring it. I envy your being able to see it. Now if I can only make it up to Washington State here in the States to see the flyable example.

Regards,

Jason

[Troy Smith]

HI Si

lovely work on the engine. One point, you may want to check on the colours,

if you scroll to the bottom of this, http://mig3.sovietwarplanes.com/colors/color-table.html

there is a list of interior colours, note possible engine colours, and colour codes for pipework. [Jason, any thoughts?]

And, after remembering to take the scanner lock off and other distractions, here's a better scan. Hmm seems small. Do you need it bigger?

I equalised it, and tried to get rid of the printing dots, it loooks pretty good.

Of note, I really doubt the tail band is yellow, I'd go red or blue [compare to the stars] not also the coloured rudder trim tab, and what looks like a painted out band on the fuselage. The pilots jacket looks like and RAF Irvine flying jacket as well. Actaully reading the caption and looking at the 'logo' its appears to be a different plane as well. Note what looks like a wooden fuselage....over to Jason. [you just fill in the panel lines I think, the kit represents a metal fuselage]

HTH

T

Edited April 19, 2012 by Troy Smith