Ossington 2 Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 Anyone know the provenance of this one? The old Esci maybe? Or is it brand spanking? Seen at GeeDees in Nottingham this afternoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabba Posted December 4, 2014 Share Posted December 4, 2014 It is the Airfix/Heller kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Esci: http://www.revell.de/fileadmin/import/images/bau/04996_%23BAU_SEPECAT_JAGUAR_GR_1A.PDF Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) Esci: http://www.revell.de/fileadmin/import/images/bau/04996_%23BAU_SEPECAT_JAGUAR_GR_1A.PDF Cheers, Andre I'm confused. Is the Airfix/Heller kit the same as the Esci, because the sprues and parts in those instructions are DEFINITELY the Airfix ones?! Edited December 5, 2014 by Brokenedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hook Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 I'm confused. Is the Airfix/Heller kit the same as the Esci, because the sprues and parts in those instructions are DEFINITELY the Airfix ones? http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/7341/esci2kn6.jpg Cheers, Andre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan P Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 (edited) OK, thanks for the link, that makes it clear that it's definitely a rebox of the Airfix/Heller kit. Edited December 5, 2014 by Brokenedge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Yep.... with all its faults. One you don't see mentioned very often is the shallow spine under the tail fin. Not an easy fix either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Esci: http://www.revell.de/fileadmin/import/images/bau/04996_%23BAU_SEPECAT_JAGUAR_GR_1A.PDF Cheers, Andre Just for clarity it most certainly ISN'T the Esci kit!! This had raised panel lines and only one drop tank. This was issued in the late 1970'sIt IS the Airfix/Heller kit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReccePhreak Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 Yep.... with all its faults. One you don't see mentioned very often is the shallow spine under the tail fin. Not an easy fix either Bummer! I was hoping for a new tool Jag. Maybe if everybody (including me) who has the Airfix & Heller Jaguars built their kits, then some company (other than Trumpeter or HobbyBoss) would come out with an accurate (and inexpensive) 1/48 series of Jaguar kits. Naaah, I won't live long enough for that. Larry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hepster Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 If it is the Airfix kit, it won't have the wing fences that the box art shows. The Airfix kit has over wing sidewinder missile launchers only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted December 5, 2014 Share Posted December 5, 2014 If it is the Airfix kit, it won't have the wing fences that the box art shows. The Airfix kit has over wing sidewinder missile launchers only. Indeed. The 54Sqn machine should have the fences, Revels instructions just leave them off! Paragon did photo etch over wing fences once upon a time along with a range of resin parts, including burner cans, wheels and a superb wing flaps and l/e slats.It's not a bad kit though.... The fit could be better in parts......and the panel lines are a bit overdone in places...I'd like to see how good the decal sheet is..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calum Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I just want the drop tanks and weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Headroom Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Bummer! I was hoping for a new tool Jag. Maybe if everybody (including me) who has the Airfix & Heller Jaguars built their kits, then some company (other than Trumpeter or HobbyBoss) would come out with an accurate (and inexpensive) 1/48 series of Jaguar kits. Naaah, I won't live long enough for that. Larry I thought the new Kinetic one is supposed to be good? Trevor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I'm glad this thread is here! I wonder what the story is about Revell getting the moulds? As we know, Kittyhawk do a pretty good 'modern' kit albeit rather expensive but probably good value looking at the RRP of this kit. Wonder why Airfix ditched it - but not the Bucc or Viggen? Maybe they intend to re-release these then? Looks like the 'improvement' is in the decal sheet - although the Airfix ones were pretty comprehensive. I note a lot more airframe stencils on the likes of the undercarriage than maybe on the original sheets. Will I buy one? Not sure. I have 3 or 4 in the stash already so probably not a high priority but it is a good way to get a Jag if you don't want to go down the Kittyhawk route. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caution Wake Turbulence Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 It was said in another thread, that this is a Heller/Revell deal, and nothing to do with Airfix/Hornby. Andrew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousAA72 Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 I'm glad this thread is here! I wonder what the story is about Revell getting the moulds? As we know, Kittyhawk do a pretty good 'modern' kit albeit rather expensive but probably good value looking at the RRP of this kit. Wonder why Airfix ditched it - but not the Bucc or Viggen? Maybe they intend to re-release these then? Looks like the 'improvement' is in the decal sheet - although the Airfix ones were pretty comprehensive. I note a lot more airframe stencils on the likes of the undercarriage than maybe on the original sheets. Will I buy one? Not sure. I have 3 or 4 in the stash already so probably not a high priority but it is a good way to get a Jag if you don't want to go down the Kittyhawk route. Simon I don't think it was a matter of Airfix ditching it, probably more a case of where the tools were when Heller and Airfix went there own way... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Cornes Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Really, and Heller have re-released it recently of course so it must be Heller to do AdeL'A and Revell to do RAF then? I wonder who has the other 1/48th moulds then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Posted December 6, 2014 Share Posted December 6, 2014 Airfix said they got all their tools back from Heller, so as this a Heller funded tool in the first place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 (edited) Indeed. The 54Sqn machine should have the fences, Revels instructions just leave them off! Paragon did photo etch over wing fences once upon a time along with a range of resin parts, including burner cans, wheels and a superb wing flaps and l/e slats. It's not a bad kit though.... The fit could be better in parts......and the panel lines are a bit overdone in places...I'd like to see how good the decal sheet is..... I picked up the kit today. It turns out that the Revell instructions (in a stapled booklet made out of nicer paper than usual) seem to suggest making the wing fences by cutting down the Sidewinder rails. I'm a bit uncertain about the stores options for the 54 Squadron markings. The only outer pylon options provided are a PHIMAT and an AN/ALQ-101, which are marked as only for the 41 Squadron example. Would the Jaguar fly without outer pylons fitted at all or with empty pylons if they weren't required for stores? In the latter case are the PHIMAT and AN/ALQ-101's pylons (moulded integrally with their pods) suitable for the earlier Jaguar? Edited February 11, 2015 by ChrisL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagRigger Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Empty outer pylons yes. Never saw one fly with just inners, but did the other way round on a display jet - ie just outers............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Thanks! I also saw in another thread someone had built this kit splitting the supplied bomb load between the outer and centre pylons, with the fuel tanks on the inner pylons. On a different thread someone else mentioned that early Jaguars could carry AIM-9G Sidewinders on the outer pylons. I've got some AIM-9Ds from a Hasegawa weapons set which are externally the same as the Gs, so perhaps I could use them, plus the fuel tanks, plus a couple of bombs on the centre pylon. Are there any good sources for appropriate 1/48 RAF pilots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 PJ Productions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The Phimat and AN/ALQ-101 were pretty much a standard fit hence why there molded as one part with the outer pylons in the kit. Would also be common for the outer pylons to be empty for training missions or carrying CBLS pods, less common would be carrying Aim-9's on the outer pylons, certainly after 1991. Would imagine it would have been more common for Aim-9's to be carried on the outer pylons pre 91 and before the over wing pylons were fitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisL Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 The 54 Squadron scheme included in the kit (which is the sharkmouth option, which means it appeals to me) is from 1979 and the Phimat and AN/ALQ-101 are specifically marked as not suitable for it, so it presumably pre-dates their introduction. A little bit of Googling provides contradictory information as to whether GR.1 Jaguars (such as the kit's 54 Squadron option) were wired for Sidewinders - Air Vectors thinks they were but Wikipedia states that the functionality was added as part of the GR.1A upgrades. The other kit option is a 41 Squadron GR.1A from 1987 so I think it also pre-dates the introduction of the over-wing sidewinder rails. Stephen - thanks for the heads-up about PJ Productions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzz Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 The earliest photos I can find of one carrying an Aim-9 is dated 1983 which is the year the 'A' upgrade apparently took place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now