Mustang 1A

[_H_]

Morning everyone.

I was very kindly given Acc. Mins Mustang Mk1A last night by a friend and would very much like to start building it but I was wondering about the camouflage colours. Are they likely to be the usual RAF Medium sea grey, dark green and ocean grey or is there a possiblility of the DuPont versions?

I only seem to have a few pics of Mustang 1's and I can't really make my mind up.

The aircraft will be a 1944 268sqn bird with sky s spinner and fuselage stripe.

Thanks in advance.

Howard

[Terry McGrady]

Morning everyone.

I was very kindly given Acc. Mins Mustang Mk1A last night by a friend and would very much like to start building it but I was wondering about the camouflage colours. Are they likely to be the usual RAF Medium sea grey, dark green and ocean grey or is there a possiblility of the DuPont versions?

I only seem to have a few pics of Mustang 1's and I can't really make my mind up.

The aircraft will be a 1944 268sqn bird with sky s spinner and fuselage stripe.

Thanks in advance.

Howard

Hi Howard , they were repainted in RAF Standard Colours

Cheere

Terry McGrady

[_H_]

Hi Terry

Thanks ever so much for that mate.

Nice simple answer, thats what we like.

Howard

[Steven Eisenman]

Just a note, they were delivered to the RAF in Du Pont Dark Green, Dark Earth and Sky Type S Gray. Repainted in the UK.

[ColFord]

Hi Howard,

Some links that might help you:

http://www.cybermodeler.com/special/mustang.shtml

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.p...&hl=Mustang

And for a concise history of No.268 Squadron

http://www.rafweb.org/Sqn266-270.htm

(but word of warning here, the links to the aircraft profiles on this site takes you to profiles that are less than accurate.)

As a starting point for some reasonably accurate colour profiles for c&m on RAF Allison engined Mustangs see the October 2008 Edition No.39 of Model Aircraft International. Otherwise some photos and profiles of No.268 Squadron Mustang Mk.IAs in the four volume set of 2TAF by Shores & Thomas.

Have you picked a subject aircraft, or is it the box offered FD-472 'M'? Note the AM offered camouflage scheme drawing included with the AM kit is not particularly accurate. In the Britmodeller link above I included a copy of my camo diagram based on multiple photos of the actual aircraft.

Regards,

Edited August 5, 2011 by ColFord

[Prop Duster]

Colin

FYI

the Britmodller link is "broke" ....at least on my computer

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/inde ... hl=Mustang

The others were fine .

[ColFord]

Hi PropDuster,

Thanks for the “heads up” on the broken Britmodeller link. Works okay over on the P51SIG!! I've corrected the link in the post above and it should now work.

Going back over the search results, searching purely in the WW2 forum, using 'Mustang' as the search parameter will also turn up a couple of other posts about RAF Allison Mustangs.

As an aside, if modelling a RAF Mustang Mk.IA to be shown ‘in service’ after April-May 1944, then it will need to have the circular external rear vision mirror added above the front canopy bow – top dead centre. Before then they only had the internal rear vision mirror fitted. The internal rear vision mirror was retained, but it was supplemented by the external rear vision mirror.

The AM depiction of the circular external rear vision mirror is pretty basic. I have utilised a spare rear vision mirror off the Tamiya P-51B/Mustang Mk.III kits, or a spare circular rear vision mirror off a Spitfire kit for the post-April-May 1944 Mustang Mk.IAs I have built.

It also looks as if the remaining RAF Mustang Mk.Is in service around that same time also had the circular external rear vision mirror fitted around the same time.

These might help:

Regards,

[_H_]

Thank you very much gentlemen. I have started to read the other thread.

I can't actually remember which one of the markings I was going for. I'd like the Malcolm hood one but I do like the black spinner of "X" in 2taf vol3

Howard

[thx6667]

Have a google for this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/MUSTANG-CAMOUFLAGE...5/dp/B002TP7NAO

Can be found for a reasonable price and has all the info you'd ever need.

[ColFord]

Howard,

Unfortunately if you are looking at a Malcolm Hood on a RAF Allison Mustang then you really need to consider a Mustang Mk.II as the subject (P-51A). Very few of the Mk.IAs had Malcolm Hoods. A mere handful. Most retained the 'coupe top' as the pilot's referred to it.

There is another thread here on BritModeller where someone asked a question about FD535 'X' and I provided a reply with some detail. The photos and profile Chris did in 2TAF is pretty accurate for the scheme on that aircraft in early 1945.

Of the two marking options in the Am boxing, FD472 'M' is real, and FD465 'N' is best we can determine from research is spurious - possibly taken from a part code or actually a Mk.II with the Malcolm Hood. FD465 from memory never saw operational service.

Jonathan, unfortunately that old Ducimus Mustang C&M book is 'riddled' with errors. The authors at the time worked off the best information they had available, but a lot of the Air Ministry files with the information they needed were closed then. Those files are open now and a lot more photos and material has come forward, so more recent focussed research is producing more accurate information on RAF Mustang C&M.

Regards,

Edited August 5, 2011 by ColFord

[_H_]

Jonathon: Thanks for that, a fellow BMer has very kindly supplied me with a copy of that book which I've been reading.

I wont take it as gospel but with the thread Colin has supplied I should be ok to crack on with the model. I'll only be building out of box so I probably won't worry too much about interior differences.

Thanks once again to all who have replied and supplied information. VERY interesting subject and I must admit I didn't realise there was so much to learn on such a documented aircraft.

Howard

[Prop Duster]

Jonathon: Thanks for that, a fellow BMer has very kindly supplied me with a copy of that book which I've been reading.

I wont take it as gospel but with the thread Colin has supplied I should be ok to crack on with the model. I'll only be building out of box so I probably won't worry too much about interior differences.

Thanks once again to all who have replied and supplied information. VERY interesting subject and I must admit I didn't realise there was so much to learn on such a documented aircraft.

Howard

There is another possibility you could entertain; to just build the plane you want (Malcolm hood, blk spinner etc. ) and consider it a "what if" or "it could have happened" type of model.

This method would allow a certain freedom from the constraints of (big deep voice insert here) HISTORICAL ACCURACY !

There is always the next build to pursue a specific air craft

[Test Graham]

Free from the constraints of historical accuracy: while you're at it stick a Spitfire wing on because it looks prettier.

Like being just a little bit pregnant.... either you bother or you don't. If you don't, then by all means enjoy yourself but you won't be asking questions on a board such as this. Anyone who does ask, deserves a helpful answer not a snide put-down.

[Work In Progress]

There is another possibility you could entertain; to just build the plane you want (Malcolm hood, blk spinner etc. ) and consider it a "what if" or "it could have happened" type of model.

This method would allow a certain freedom from the constraints of (big deep voice insert here) HISTORICAL ACCURACY !

Naturally, everyone should build the model they want. The original poster makes it clear that he wants a model in historically accurate colours. Rather perversely, you seem to be suggesting that he should, by abandoning historical accuracy, build a model that he doesn't want

Edited August 12, 2011 by Work In Progress

[_H_]

Woah there lads!!

The information posted by Colin & Terry have done the job. Lets leave it at that please.

I'll just be doing a 1A from the box with the coupe top.

Howard

[ColFord]

Howard,

If you have picked your subject aircraft, or at least the subject aircraft's timeframe, would you care to share as I may be able to point you towards other information or send some more information your way directly.

Regards,

[Prop Duster]

My apology's for having stirred up such a negative reaction from some members.

My, apparently egregious suggestion, which was intended to only give Howard an avenue to express his mentioned points, sprinkled in a bit of humor. I must beg his pardon for any insult.

I have, now seen how there is always present, the real danger of misunderstanding when the medium of our commutation is text only. The loss of facial actions (ie smiles) and/or voice sounds (ie the raised inflection to indicate a tongue-in- cheek statement).

However, I am glad the membership includes so many knowledgeable and expert members, many of whom, I have been most fortunate to learn much from. Both in modeling techniques and history of various aircraft.

Also, to those who ably stand by, to maintain the current high quality of the forum and its participants, a hearty thank you for your, unstinting yeomen like job.

Respectively Yours

[gingerbob]

Duster,

If it makes you feel any better I didn't take your suggestion as a "put down". I'm one who does care about (deep voice) "Historical Accuracy" (dum duh dum!) but I'm also not above taking liberties when I feel like it- after all, it is MY collection of little plastic bits. And there's nothing to say you can't do a "might have been" without also trying to be faithful to the context- then you don't end up with some Warbird paint job that takes a shark mouth from here, squadron markings from there, all-round D-Day stripes, and US insignia with red stripes down the middle.

Thank you also for responding to the flak in a non-inflammatory (or so I took it) manner. Nice to see the occasional outburst of adult behavior! (and that's not a jab at anyone on this thread, just a broadly general comment.)

Now, _H_, in case you haven't figured it out by now, if you want to do a 268 bird, you can't do better than talk to Colin.

bob